IJ, ick ick ick

[aesc]

Oh my God, it's absolutely horrible outside, like a zillion percent humidity and thunder in the distance. *shudder*

I picked up an IJ account just to keep an eye on people, because I don't know what fandom's doing (or if fandom knows what it's doing) and it's kind of freaking me out. So I'm aesc over there as well.

To reiterate, I'm staying put with LJ for now, so until Something happens, all my fic/squee/complaining/whatever will be focused here, but may I just say ARGH!! All the talk of moving and going in different directions has me freaked out and upset, because you're my peoples, and I don't like my peoples being pulled out from under me. It makes me very anxious.

*sniffles pathetically*

ETA: Am aesc at JF as well, with gracious thanks to kudra2324 for the invite. Now I feel like Bentham's panopticon.

I am a quality hitherto without example.

Comments

[neevebrody.livejournal.com]

*jumping in* I'm in the same boat as *le_mot_mo* above. I really wasn't aware of what all the fuss was about. Being fairly new to the writing part, most of my time has been concentrated on that. Do I understand correctly that LJ monitors posts or investigates "reported" posts and if "it" deems the content of that post inappropriate (according to those new guidelines?) they will suspend the user, no questions? Even if that user is a paid or lifetime member? And by suspension, is that a set amount of time or a time determined by LJ? I would assume this would include both art and fiction and if that's true, then I can certainly understand everyone's anxiety, anger, frustration, and wanting to jump ship. There are some extremely talented people at LJ and it really is a shame. I wonder what started everything?? Oh well, didn't mean to drone on like that, just glad to know what this is all about.

Oh, and thanks for the lovely pic!!

[aesc.livejournal.com]

Do I understand correctly that LJ monitors posts or investigates "reported" posts and if "it" deems the content of that post inappropriate (according to those new guidelines?) they will suspend the user, no questions? Even if that user is a paid or lifetime member? And by suspension, is that a set amount of time or a time determined by LJ?

In point of fact, LJ's always had the right to monitor content--it's their space, their service, and you agree to that right under their TOS. What I'm less clear on, and what I think LJ isn't clear on at all, is what constitutes something TOSable, and how and by whom a disputed piece of work will be judged. (The current standard LJ says it's using is the Miller Test for obscenity [US].) The fact that they've been unwilling, at least as far as I've been following the debate--which is not assiduously--, to lay out some kind of policy regarding how contested material is handled, and a policy that allows for appeal, is deeply irksome to me.

It also leaves the door open for random people to stir up trouble, and I object to anything that encourages asshattishness.

On the other hand, as has been pointed out, there's a huge disjunct between the fan community, the LJ/6A community as a whole, and (in this case) American culture in general. Intra- or inter-fandom dialogue is not the same as fandom/LJ dialogue or fandom/culture, and I don't think fandom quite gets that sometimes--our standard of acceptability is, for the most part, likely not that of the mainstream. For myself, I think it's a product of a general inability to accept the legitimacy of fan-related (and non-compensated!) imaginative work and recreactional coterie activities as a method of (expression, relaxation, community-making) and the kneejerk moralism that has made being an American extremely frustrating the past several years. In that sense, I suppose LJ is the convenient stand-in for much larger, more troubling, and more immovable cultural issues.

But that's just me. I'm not a sociologist or popular culture scholar, so these are only my observations. Feel free to take or leave as you will :)

[red-tanger.livejournal.com]

I'm spamming you now, sorry :P Just wanted to add an agreeing headnod to the legitimacy issue. I'm swedish so I can't talk much about the american part, (it's really a fringe community over here, thus my getting my fix on LJ) but I see the attitude in company policies and generally I think you're right, this isn't an LJ-isolated event.

More pretty! (I beeling in the healing properties of hotness :P )

[aesc.livejournal.com]

Joooooe!!!!!

And the SHIRT oh my GOD! *tugs on his collar*

(it's really a fringe community over here, thus my getting my fix on LJ)

It is here as well. People are aware of it, vaguely, mostly through the popularity of Harry Potter, but it's by no means in the spotlight. Or, at least, not yet. We're still crazy people in the closet for the most part.

[neevebrody.livejournal.com]

::points to pic above::

Oh God, Joe's NECK!!!!!

[red-tanger.livejournal.com]

I love this pic, I just wanna bite hím and look at that smirk/smile combo! Crazy closet-people are my favourite kind :)

[neevebrody.livejournal.com]

Thanks for your clarification and insight.

[aesc.livejournal.com]

You're very welcome :)

A much more articulate, and thorough, summation of fandom complaints and possible solutions is here (http://bubble-blunder.livejournal.com/80818.html). It might go a long way toward persuading LJ to take us seriously--which, amusing though they may be, irate cat macros can't accomplish.

[neevebrody.livejournal.com]

irate cat macros

*snorts*

Thanks for the link. ::scuttles off to read surreptitiously - at work::

[neevebrody.livejournal.com]

ETA: I went today and set up over at Insane Journal - will probably do Greatest Journal too, just in case. Same user name over there.