aesc: (uriel. he's badass.)
aesc ([personal profile] aesc) wrote2009-02-26 12:04 pm

meme-thingy is memed

<--check out Uriel there. How badass is he?

I am so bored today, I'm almost catatonic with it. The boredom is, fortunately, well-paid boredom (I am putting together someone's bibliography and formatting their footnotes and I am being paid YAY), but still, money does not keep my synapses from curling up to take a snooze. Please keep me from falling over.

Stolen from [livejournal.com profile] ashkitty: Give me a character and I will tell you something factual about them according to my own personal canon. This can range from their birthday, favorite color or even their earliest memory up to what they had last night for dinner. If you want, you can ask me a specific question about them, because I am so bored I don't know if I can come up with any facts without prompting.

*wavers on the brink*

Two more weeks until Bones and SPN, two more weeks *cries*

[identity profile] aesc.livejournal.com 2009-02-26 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
(We obviously share a brain! This is an excerpt of a story I'm writing :D:D:D)

YAYYYYYYY!!!!

It's kind of awesome, my dissertation reading has a bit to do with early medieval traditions surrounding angels, and St. Augustine says that angels were created with the first light, and they instantly knew everything you say they knew. That makes me incredibly happy :D :D

I also love imagining Castiel trying to explain this to Dean, what it's like to know what he knows and to see everything.
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[identity profile] smilla02.livejournal.com 2009-02-26 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
♥ St. Augustine! It's been years I read some of his work and mostly I read his political theory, but I love that man with a burning love.

My reasoning had something to do with common sense (and maybe that layered knowledge you can't refer to practically as in I read there or there, because being catholic and going to church school and having friends who are priests makes for interesting conversations ;P) but I couldn't imagine Castiel having memories different than his self as he is now and this constancy of being as opposed to becoming like humans do, through events and by experiencing life, is at the same time gorgeous and terrible.

I also love imagining Castiel trying to explain this to Dean, what it's like to know what he knows and to see everything.

That would make for an interesting conversation! I imagine Dean corrupting Castiel to coffee and maybe alchool, and sharing some of his memories and then asking Castiel about his. I imagine Dean's confused face, his deep frowns as Castiel tries to explain with a very matter-of-fact voice (and not at all wasted - which makes Dean crazy!) all of this.

Seeing as you're bored, you should write this story!

[identity profile] aesc.livejournal.com 2009-02-26 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)
is at the same time gorgeous and terrible.

Oh yes! Augustine tends to view angelic knowledge as innate--they just have (they are it, to an extent; they're beings of intellect), but what do you do with experiential knowledge, the knowledge you gain by doing things? Augustine, IIRC, doesn't address that, even though angels can take human form. But I think it's that same sort of beautiful and terrible thing to think about, Castiel being in time for the first time in thousands of years, having a body and one perspective, and thinking of things the way humans do even as he still can think and perceive things angelically.

I imagine Dean corrupting Castiel to coffee and maybe alchool, and sharing some of his memories and then asking Castiel about his. I imagine Dean's confused face, his deep frowns as Castiel tries to explain with a very matter-of-fact voice (and not at all wasted - which makes Dean crazy!) all of this.

Ha ha, yes again! And I can imagine Castiel trying to explain that this is also what's at stake, what they're fighting for... And how these thoughts he's been having (disobedient thoughts) go against everything that he's known to be true about himself and the world.
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[identity profile] smilla02.livejournal.com 2009-02-26 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Castiel being in time for the first time in thousands of years, having a body and one perspective, and thinking of things the way humans do even as he still can think and perceive things angelically

*flails helplessly*
And it is that dicotomy that's lacerating Castiel. He now he's living through a human vessel and whether you decide to believe that this man is alive or not, that he's asleep or a secondary conscience alongside Castiel's, it doesn't change the fact that the biology of humans is made of senses, made to perceive life through them, and Castiel is experiencing it. It's biology, you know, and it's not something Castiel can ignore or stop experiencing. It's like these two different world colliding, one finite, defined, immanent, and the other infinite.

And how these thoughts he's been having (disobedient thoughts) go against everything that he's known to be true about himself and the world.

Dean would smirk, scoff and then he'd become all serious, and, like with Sam and his faith, he would freak out at the idea of Castiel disobeying.

[identity profile] aesc.livejournal.com 2009-02-26 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
it doesn't change the fact that the biology of humans is made of senses, made to perceive life through them, and Castiel is experiencing it.

*flaps* Yes, yes, exactly! And I can see him struggling to make sense of that, when he's not used to having to make sense of anything, because he's so used to understanding and instant comprehension, to thinking in the macrocosm--and suddenly, he wonders if the big picture, for all its scope and beauty, ends up missing things.

Dean would smirk, scoff and then he'd become all serious, and, like with Sam and his faith, he would freak out at the idea of Castiel disobeying.

Dean does need someone Up There on his side after all :) Since, you know, clearly Uriel isn't stepping up any time soon.